tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post8492156245286945338..comments2024-03-27T16:44:31.600+05:30Comments on Stranded in the Present: The Origins of Indians: Version 8.0Manju Edangamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-63601698797127026402007-08-09T14:20:00.000+05:302007-08-09T14:20:00.000+05:30I say go for your HVR2 upgrade. Then there would ...I say go for your HVR2 upgrade. Then there would be at least some hope for your haplogroup to be determined. Your mtDNA might even be one of those “just this minute” defined M subclades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-46681448584593046952007-08-08T17:14:00.000+05:302007-08-08T17:14:00.000+05:30Ibra:Thank you very much! That is really some data...Ibra:<BR/>Thank you very much! That is really some database. I have many exact matches. Unfortunately all of them identified as M which I suppose is not much of use. <BR/><BR/><I>Have you considered an HVR2 upgrade? :P</I><BR/><BR/>May be you can take a guess!Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-75317424029619206982007-08-08T14:45:00.000+05:302007-08-08T14:45:00.000+05:30Ok here is another dataset you can try. Have you ...Ok here is another dataset you can try. Have you considered an HVR2 upgrade? :P<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2gkpqdAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-77678214240063675042007-08-06T17:22:00.000+05:302007-08-06T17:22:00.000+05:30M2 is bit strange. One study has found its strong ...M2 is bit strange. One study has found its strong presence in AA tribes(Basu et al. 2003). Other study found it about 2% among AAs(Khan et al. 2007). I guess it is defined by 16223-16319 mutations. Both I and 5SRQQ do not have that motif. But considering its exclusive distribution in South India, I certainly can't rule that out.<BR/><BR/>I read somewhere that 311C, 519C and 527T are useless motifs because they occur randomly across many haplogroups. My interest would be 16223-16263. Do you have mtDNA HVR1 and HVRII data of Romas?Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-26307967068779658022007-08-06T16:29:00.000+05:302007-08-06T16:29:00.000+05:30Sorry I meant "5SRQQ"Sorry I meant "5SRQQ"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-4761819842592933832007-08-06T16:24:00.000+05:302007-08-06T16:24:00.000+05:30Your closet match "569TH" appears to be an M2. Th...Your closet match "569TH" appears to be an M2. This can be seen by comparing their HVR1 and HVR2 with another dataset. <BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/24qc7j<BR/><BR/>http://www.sendspace.com/file/5knwh8<BR/><BR/>A glimmer of hope :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-35955575589697183162007-08-04T21:43:00.000+05:302007-08-04T21:43:00.000+05:30I presume you meant to say in reference to you the...<I>I presume you meant to say in reference to you theory. </I><BR/><BR/>Indeed. LOL.<BR/><BR/><I>I have such poor comprehension skills and am also deprived at getting my point across.</I><BR/><BR/>That is just my English!<BR/><BR/><I>Do you have any guesses at what your mtDNA M* could be? </I><BR/><BR/>I have not yet found a subclade of M with 263C motif in any of the papers. So, at present I am clueless.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-55670211826174205242007-08-04T15:29:00.000+05:302007-08-04T15:29:00.000+05:30“It rather looks like my "Semitic Aryan" matriline...“It rather looks like my "Semitic Aryan" matrilineage”<BR/><BR/>I presume you meant to say in reference to you theory. I have such poor comprehension skills and am also deprived at getting my point across. Do you have any guesses at what your mtDNA M* could be? I guess we can rule out M3.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-7817381162489945672007-08-04T14:40:00.000+05:302007-08-04T14:40:00.000+05:30Also, M3 is defined by mutation at 16126 that I do...Also, M3 is defined by mutation at 16126 that I don't have.<BR/><BR/><I>-According to some geneticist B4 and B5 is a genetic marker that came in with O2a and relates to the Austro-Asiatic migration.</I><BR/><BR/>Thanks for that info. I'll go thro' the paper.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-19104616582680282602007-08-04T14:33:00.000+05:302007-08-04T14:33:00.000+05:30-Manju so are you saying that you infer your mtDNA...<I>-Manju so are you saying that you infer your mtDNA to be M3?</I><BR/><BR/>What made you to think so? I have no idea about my mtDNA. At least, the studies show negligible M3 in Kerala.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-46369648939573720792007-08-04T13:46:00.000+05:302007-08-04T13:46:00.000+05:30http://tinyurl.com/2lsz5shttp://tinyurl.com/2lsz5sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-61330244944723246562007-08-04T13:45:00.000+05:302007-08-04T13:45:00.000+05:30-Manju so are you saying that you infer your mtDNA...-Manju so are you saying that you infer your mtDNA to be M3? You should get contact with a geneticist to resolve the issue, preferably one that has worked with South Asian mtDNA. M3 seems to be a very central marker in the context of South Asia and I hope it is studied further. Thanks for bringing up the fascinating points. <BR/><BR/>-According to some geneticist B4 and B5 is a genetic marker that came in with O2a and relates to the Austro-Asiatic migration. <BR/><BR/>http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/evoeco/files/research/publications/Velavan2005.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-73381963635053760642007-08-03T23:15:00.000+05:302007-08-03T23:15:00.000+05:30Contrary to a prediction, derivingfrom a hypothesi...Contrary to a prediction, deriving<BR/>from a hypothesis that a higher frequency of<BR/>'western' gene lineages should discriminate higher<BR/>castes from lower castes, it was found (Bamshad et<BR/>al. 2001) that the difference between 'upper', 'middle'<BR/>and 'lower' caste Dravidian-speaking Telugus is<BR/>more strongly stratified in terms of the two Indianspecific<BR/>maternal lineage clusters M3 (19 per cent in<BR/>'upper', 4 per cent in 'middle', and 1 per cent in<BR/>'lower' castes) and U2i (17 per cent - 10 per cent - 6<BR/>per cent, respectively), rather than by those of recent<BR/>western Asian origin (5 per cent - 2 per cent - 1 per<BR/>cent, respectively).<BR/><BR/>Kivisild et al. 2003aManju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-6786927919788692782007-08-03T23:13:00.000+05:302007-08-03T23:13:00.000+05:30The frequency of M3a is at its highest amongst the...The frequency of M3a is at its highest amongst the Parsees of Mumbai (22%). Given the low M3a diversity amongst the Parsees – the twelve M3a mtDNAs fall into the two most common haplotypes (Figure 7) – the high frequency is likely a result of admixture and subsequent founder events. On the other hand, it is intriguing that, despite its low frequency, M3a penetrates into central and southwestern Iran (Figure 1, panel M3a) – the historic origin of the Zoroastrian Parsees. In addition to the Parsees we found M3a at high frequencies amongst the Brahmins of Uttar Pradesh (16%) and the Rajputs of Rajasthan (14%) <BR/><BR/>Metspalu et al. 2004.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-80585665245533353322007-08-03T23:06:00.000+05:302007-08-03T23:06:00.000+05:30Ibra:I would like to see distribution of M3 in Cau...Ibra:<BR/>I would like to see distribution of M3 in Caucasus or in Northern Iran or in Afghanistan. It rather looks like my "Semitic Aryan" matrilineage :-).Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-68981599480567042192007-08-03T10:15:00.000+05:302007-08-03T10:15:00.000+05:30I bet there are some M markers that could be deeme...I bet there are some M markers that could be deemed Dravidian. They would most likely follow an example analogous to L, being found is West Asia due to trade/contact with the Indus culture and being highly distributed in Northwest India. For some reason M3 comes to mind so I leave that as a hypothesis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-141729917947173512007-07-10T18:49:00.000+05:302007-07-10T18:49:00.000+05:30anonymous:I refer Starling database.anonymous:<BR/>I refer <A HREF="http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/main.cgi?root=config" REL="nofollow"> Starling database</A>.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-86623408976426538642007-07-10T17:19:00.000+05:302007-07-10T17:19:00.000+05:30Manjunath,Do you know of an online proto-dravidian...Manjunath,<BR/><BR/>Do you know of an online proto-dravidian dictionary? Can you kindly post it as a reply to this comment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com