tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post115909879939101851..comments2024-03-27T16:44:31.600+05:30Comments on Stranded in the Present: South Dravidian languages - VManju Edangamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-10371133591943197932010-09-13T22:47:48.563+05:302010-09-13T22:47:48.563+05:30Havyaka word for daughter is magaLu. whether the c...Havyaka word for daughter is magaLu. whether the community originated in northern regions is to be investigated further. however, there is a rough assumption among people that it originated in north.<br /><br />One more observation: 'avaL' is almost not there in crude-spoken Tamil. even in crude Malayalam, 'ath' refers to 'avaL'<br /><br />is Toda a dialect of Tamil or an independent language? Dr. Hampa Nagarajaiah and Prof. Ramachandra Rao classify it as an independent Dravidian language. [Prof. Ramachandra Rao gives reference to Bhadriraju Krishnamurthy.]krishnaprakasha bolumbunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-34271866642243434572010-09-13T06:57:21.849+05:302010-09-13T06:57:21.849+05:30gender distinction - feminine gender distinctiongender distinction - feminine gender distinctionManju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-17474585884882984782010-09-12T22:46:56.291+05:302010-09-12T22:46:56.291+05:30Krishnaprakasha:
Bhadriraju Krishnamurthy (author ...Krishnaprakasha:<br />Bhadriraju Krishnamurthy (author of The Dravidian Languages) isn't very sure whether gender distinction was the proto-state or the lack of it. So, I wonder whether the lack of gender distinction in Havyaka shows whether the origin of this community in northern regions or maybe just an result of language changes.<br /><br />Gender distinction is not there in Are Bhashe (Gowda Kananda, spoken in Sullya) along with Havyaka. It's also not found in Toda and Erakula dialect of Tamil. But gender distinction is observed in almost all languages belonging to SD-I branch. Thus only in some of the isolated languages of SD-I it doesn't exist.<br /><br />However, none of the other branches (SD-II, Central Dravidian and North Dravidian) have gender distinction with a curious exception of Pengo, part of SD-II. Here, female gender is 'adel'. Here the female gender is derived from neuter (ad) whereas in SD-I female gender is derived from masculine 'ava'.<br /><br />So, probably lack of gender distinction is the proto-state. We can also observe that couple of languges like Brahui(ND) and Erukula(SD-I) don't even have animate distinctions (ad is for all). Do they show the actual proto-state? I'm not sure. <br /><br />What is the Havyaka word for daughter? Is it magaLu? I mean the way Pengo language has adopted gender neuter to feminine form, it shows some feminine word was there (magalu?) as a reference to innovate a female gender specific term.Manju Edangamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00474338169829802934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8973162.post-13089239955813458992010-09-11T23:07:08.385+05:302010-09-11T23:07:08.385+05:30one more point of similarity between havyaka kanna...one more point of similarity between havyaka kannada and northern dravidian [telugu] :<br /><br />female gender 'avaLu' is absent in both. 'adu' and 'adi' are used respectively in place of 'avalu'. these words refer to the neute gender also. only the situation should demarcate whether the gender is female or neuter.krishnaprakasha bolumbunoreply@blogger.com